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Where to start?

Posted at 15:04:57 Wed 6 Oct 2021

Hello everyone, glad to finally be here.

I have wanted a Hornby train set since I was a child, and now I have the means to finally invest some time and money, I’m lost at where to start. I have recently begun to board my loft space, as it’s something I’ve long wanted to do, and realised I would have enough space to assemble some track, and later on, some landscape.

I have begun to watch beginner videos and how to get started, but I have to admit that I feel a bit overwhelmed with where to start.

My plan was to start with a starter set, more specifically the R1271M iTraveller 6000 set, because it comes with the HM 6000 which I really like the look of.

I have come here to ask the experts what are a few of the do's and don’ts when starting out? It feels like this is a hobby where the sky is the limit in terms of how much you can spend, both in time and money, and how much space you can use.

I really like the look of the DDC, but is this for more advanced users, or is it something you can use from the start?

The RailMaster seems like something for large scale setups with multiple trains and connections, so is this something I should avoid until I’m more comfortable with how everything works?

I did try to keep this short, but there is so much I’d like to ask. For now, I’ll leave it here. If you have read all the way to this point, thank you, you’re a real trooper.

Thanks all.

My name is long, so just call me Lee.

Last Edited 15:08:30 Wed 6 Oct 2021

Posted at 22:29:13 Sun 6 Feb 2022

Didn't manage to get any more decoders done today, but I did have a look at my Peckett locos instructions. It says that "the jaws that accept the decoder are cast from metal, so we recommend that you insulate the decoder with insulation tape before inserting".

I have some yellow 20mm electrical tape, would this be suitable?

My name is long, so just call me Lee.

Last Edited 08:35:34 Mon 7 Feb 2022
Posted 22:29:13 Sun 6 Feb 2022

Posted at 08:37:56 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Personally, I find that the glue used on standard electrical tape turns to a sticky messy gunge when subjected to heat over an extended period of time.

But others use it.

Whatever you use, the key thing is to not completely exclude air flow. Air flow is needed to keep the decoder as cool as it can be, thus a relatively loose fitting sleeve is best.

Chris.......Making the 'Wood in the Trees' visible.

Last Edited 08:40:24 Mon 7 Feb 2022
Posted 08:37:56 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 09:09:03 Mon 7 Feb 2022

I also had the same thought about the electrical tape going sticky from the heat.

I saw a video where someone had wrapped their decoder in an orange/yellowish transparent tape material, but I can’t seem to find what it was. It almost looked like a sweet wrapper. Anyone have any idea what this could be?

Edit: After some more digging, the tape I saw in the video is Kapton tape. Have ordered a roll and will use that instead of electrical tape.

My name is long, so just call me Lee.

Last Edited 09:36:09 Mon 7 Feb 2022
Posted 09:09:03 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 10:32:20 Mon 7 Feb 2022

A popular alternative is heat shrink, but shrunk only enough to just grip the decoder so that air can still flow.


Posted 10:32:20 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 13:48:11 Mon 7 Feb 2022

There is always an exception to common sense.

Not what I would normally do but this is a TTS tightly shrink wrapped in a confined space. Not been a problem so far.

http://www.halton96th.org.uk/robs_rails.html


Posted 13:48:11 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 14:58:03 Mon 7 Feb 2022

I’d never heard of insulating the decoders until I fitted one to my Peckett where you slot them in vertically and they’re held upright by two little arms. The instructions say to insulate the decoder.

I did look around for info on this and it seems to be a no right answer, personal preference thing. Some say never insulate them and others say always insulate them.

My name is long, so just call me Lee.

Last Edited 15:15:41 Mon 7 Feb 2022
Posted 14:58:03 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 15:20:07 Mon 7 Feb 2022

To a certain degree, I would say it is a use 'common sense' decision to insulate or not. If the decoder is physically isolated from any other metallic of electrical surface, then no need to insulate. But if there is any risk of the decoder PCB touching on metal or other bared electrical surface, then insulate.

Chris.......Making the 'Wood in the Trees' visible.

Last Edited 15:21:18 Mon 7 Feb 2022
Posted 15:20:07 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 20:43:06 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Insulate has two meanings.

  1. isolate electrically
  2. protect from heat (or cold) transfer.

In our case we need to ensure 1. without invoking 2.

The best way to achieve this is to isolate all metal parts of the loco likely to touch the decoder with a suitable tape (say Kapton), thus leaving the decoder open to air and preventing any chance of overheating.

http://www.halton96th.org.uk/robs_rails.html


Posted 20:43:06 Mon 7 Feb 2022

Posted at 13:38:09 Tue 8 Feb 2022

That’s very true 96RAF. After doing some more reading and the info on here, I’ve decided to insulate the parts of the loco the decoder will touch, rather than try to wrap the decoders in anything. The idea of just putting a cut of shrink tubing over it is still something I like, but I think I’ll approach it loco by loco and see what works best.


I saw a video about laying track with cork underlay, and presenter said that putting a nail in the middle pre-drilled hole can cause the track to bend in slightly, so he drilled a hole on the outside of the track through the sleepers. I’ve watched a lot of videos on laying track and never seen this technique. It does make sense to me, but is it necessary? If you only tap the track pin in the middle just to a snug fit, it won’t cause the track to bend inwards, right?


I’m sure everyone’s tired of this thread by now, there is so much to learn in this hobby, so for those of you that still hop in and share some knowledge, I’m very grateful.

My name is long, so just call me Lee.


Posted 13:38:09 Tue 8 Feb 2022

Posted at 20:50:35 Tue 8 Feb 2022

I also had the same thought about the electrical tape going sticky from the heat.
I saw a video where someone had wrapped their decoder in an orange/yellowish transparent tape material, but I can’t seem to find what it was. It almost looked like a sweet wrapper. Anyone have any idea what this could be?
Edit: After some more digging, the tape I saw in the video is Kapton tape. Have ordered a roll and will use that instead of electrical tape.


Thirty-eight locomotives currently in use at one time or another.

All wrapped in this...


Z21 - OO - Just playing with trains. My name's not Will, it's Rob, but you can call me anything you like.


Posted 20:50:35 Tue 8 Feb 2022

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