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3D Printing

Posted at 10:36:22 Thu 21 Jul 2016

I am not fully up to speed in this subject, but it does crop up from time to time and I  would appreciate some guidance from the more knowledgeable if you on here.

1 - How much detail can be printed on (a) the cheaper domestic printers, and (b) by commercial printers?

2 - What does a domestic printer cost to buy and to run?

3 - how much does a 'one off' print job about the size of a locomotive body produced commercially cost?

4 - are there any restrictions as to size and the material used e.g.  do these machines only print in plastic?

5 - What are the requirements for producing the drawing to drive the printer, does it require a specialist software package to prepare the drawing?

6 - Have any of you done any 3D printing, if so how did you like the result?

 

 

 

 

 

Last Edited 01:37:47 Tue 11 Feb 2020

Posted at 11:32:44 Thu 21 Jul 2016

Answer to number 2.

Anything from under £500 to many thousands depending upon spec.

 

Answer to number 4.

Domestic models can print in various 'plastics', size limited to the machine frame and range of movement of its print head, resolution varies model to model and with material so review the specs.

Specialist commercial machines can even print aero standard parts in exotic metals like titanium.

Once you have the specific printer material capability spec then you can google and look at the various material types and suitability for various jobs.

 

Answer to number 5.

Sketchup Make is a brilliant free (for non-commercial use) software 3-D drawing package, that is fairly easy to learn and has specific output for 3-D printing as required. The software and associated website has many tutorials to get you started and expert areas for when you become more competent.

http://www.sketchup.com/products/sketchup-make

 

Answer to number 6. No but I wish I had, along with a lathe and many other things...

http://www.halton96th.org.uk/robs_rails.html


Posted 11:32:44 Thu 21 Jul 2016

Posted at 16:38:20 Thu 21 Jul 2016

  Answer to number 3 one of my tank loco bodies is around £27-28 for the rather grainy white strong flexible plastic around £50 in Frosted ultradetail (depending on th exchange rate - I use a company that prints in the netherlands). Below is one of mine in undercoat awaiting its first sanding down and second undercoat.

GWR 517

 

However, my most sucessful prints seem to be coach bogies

 

GWR American for Hornby Siphon G & H and Lima Siphon G

 

Though I'm probably most proud of my 6 wheeled siphons (currently two versions):

 

Although all of the above were printed for me commercially. I would also ike to add that all the above were designed for use around Hornby cmponents (wheelschassis couplings etc)

Modelling a combined 00 and 009 gauge Layout (GWR/GVT) mostly


Posted 16:38:20 Thu 21 Jul 2016

Posted at 04:41:54 Sat 23 Jul 2016

 Thank you RAF 96 & 81F,

81F they look good., did you prepare the CAD for them?


Posted 04:41:54 Sat 23 Jul 2016

Posted at 12:00:43 Sat 23 Jul 2016

 Thank you RAF 96 & 81F,

81F they look good., did you prepare the CAD for them?

Yes, although I use AutoCAD for work I do not have easy access at home so I used a free package called Tinkercad which allows you to build thins up out of cubes, cone sheres et and trim them. The only downside is the smootheness of curves is not great and these require a bit of work to get them smooth.

 

Myy main solution for this is to sprey with Halfords indercoat and lightly file back the ridges to the plasric and respray, sometimes two or three times. (taking care tomask of the flat bits with detail so as not to get too much paint on them.

Modelling a combined 00 and 009 gauge Layout (GWR/GVT) mostly


Posted 12:00:43 Sat 23 Jul 2016

Posted at 03:24:53 Mon 25 Jul 2016

1 - How much detail can be printed on (a) the cheaper domestic printers, and (b) by commercial printers?

Most home printers can do 0.5mm detail, some even go down to 0.2mm detail (by detail I mean embossed/engraved detail). You must also keep in mind other criteria like min supported wall thickness and min unsupported wall thickness.

 

2 - What does a domestic printer cost to buy and to run?

All I know is that it's not that cheap. But roughly starting at 500 quid for a good one.

 

3 - how much does a 'one off' print job about the size of a locomotive body produced commercially cost?

Depending on size, something the size of a LB&SCR E2 can be rougly 25-35 quid. And something the size of say a Class 60/66/92 can be over 80 quid.

 

4 - are there any restrictions as to size and the material used e.g.  do these machines only print in plastic?

Yes, depending on the type of printer there are restrictions, usually the size of the printing table. There's a variety of materials, nylon based, plastic, even wood. Most recently China 3D printed homes in concrete on a giant scale.

 

5 - What are the requirements for producing the drawing to drive the printer, does it require a specialist software package to prepare the drawing?

I use SketchUp, it's free and by far the most powerful and easy-to-learn software. I actually learnt how to use SketchUp without any tutorials for help. I did it all by myself and it took me a month and a half. I'd be more than happy to help you out.

 

6 - Have any of you done any 3D printing, if so how did you like the result?

Yes, incidentally I just received my first set of 3D prints, I was contemplating on whether to post them here or not. Afterall I do run a small hobby/business and I was afraid many would mistake it for advertising. I do have an online shop on Shapeways, though I mostly dabble in T gauge (1:450) I have a couple of OO gauge detailing parts for Hornby models so I didn't want it to come across as advertising.

 

I can give you my feedback based on Shapeways only, I tried two materials - WSF and FUD. WSF was too grainy for my liking and the post-printing work i.e. wet and dry sanding is just too time consuming. FUD on the other hand is much much better and requires less post-printing work (I have dileberately not sanded my FUD parts just to see it's final outcome).

 

T gauge (1:450) Indian Railways 4-6-2 WP Class

 

 

T gauge (1:450) GWR Lineside Huts

 

T gauge (1:450) GWR Pagoda Waiting Room

 

T gauge (1:450) GWR Water Towers

 

HO gauge (1:87) Indian Railways SAN DL700 Industrial Shunter

Note: The transparent plastic is Shapeways' FUD (Frosted Ultra Detail) a good material that is slightly brittle but also flexible. Finish is pretty smooth and requires the least amount of post-printing work. The white plastic is Shapeways' WSF (White Strong and Flexible). By far the best in terms of robustness but severely let down by it's grainy finish.

 

 

If you need any more advice and/or tips feel free to ask Adam for my email ID. I'll be more than happy to help you out especially with learning how to design stuff using SketchUp and also 3D printing.

 

Hope my post has been useful to you in some way or the other.

 

Cheers!

Jeremiah.

Last Edited 08:53:19 Mon 25 Jul 2016
Posted 03:24:53 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Posted at 14:11:20 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Nice work Jeremiah. I dare say in the not too distant future we'll  all own 3D printers, they'll be as cheap as ordinary ones. 

 

What is the dimension of the coin?


Posted 14:11:20 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Posted at 14:34:47 Mon 25 Jul 2016

@ WTD.................the coin is 27mm diam.........HB


Posted 14:34:47 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Posted at 14:46:44 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Thanks HB. Having never visited India I didn't have a clue. Flown over it a few times though. Smile


Posted 14:46:44 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Posted at 15:33:37 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Nice work Jeremiah. I dare say in the not too distant future we'll  all own 3D printers, they'll be as cheap as ordinary ones. 

 

What is the dimension of the coin?

Thanks WTD....I agree, we'll all have our own 3D printers soon.

 

The coin is 2.5cm wide.

 

Cheers!
J


Posted 15:33:37 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Posted at 15:41:35 Mon 25 Jul 2016

Thank you JB.


Posted 15:41:35 Mon 25 Jul 2016

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